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	<title>Comments on: Hen Harrier Disaster on United Utilities Land</title>
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	<description>Are England&#039;s birds of prey really protected by law?</description>
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		<title>By: Ray Turner</title>
		<link>http://raptorpolitics.org.uk/?p=588&#038;cpage=1#comment-519</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 13:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If You believe that Untited utilities are in any other business than pumping as much money to thier share holders as is possible then your cuckoo. Land management is something they have no interest in. Indeed, If they had had thier way, we wouldn&#039;t even have access to their lands. If you voted for Thatcher You voted for this. You can complain as much as you like becuase they are not interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If You believe that Untited utilities are in any other business than pumping as much money to thier share holders as is possible then your cuckoo. Land management is something they have no interest in. Indeed, If they had had thier way, we wouldn&#8217;t even have access to their lands. If you voted for Thatcher You voted for this. You can complain as much as you like becuase they are not interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://raptorpolitics.org.uk/?p=588&#038;cpage=1#comment-258</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pleased that you and your kind are in the minority - whatever your selfish personal interests, what you do is illegal and I hope you get caught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pleased that you and your kind are in the minority &#8211; whatever your selfish personal interests, what you do is illegal and I hope you get caught.</p>
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		<title>By: Seb</title>
		<link>http://raptorpolitics.org.uk/?p=588&#038;cpage=1#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>Seb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right..sorry to be a bit blunt but having read the above comments I feel I must be.

Numbers of predators will rise if they are not persecuted by humans.  They will rise to a level that can be supported by the prey. If the prey declines, then predators will decline too.  This is the way nature works without interference.

If you take away an apex predator, such as a raptor, then the numbers of species lower down the chain explode until their food cannot support them.  When this happens their population will crash, leaving the next level to flourish.

This is happening all over the world, beit it Birds of Prey, Foxes, Sharks or any other predator.  They are vital in maintaining a healthy population and balance of every species on the planet.

Now, the people who persucute these predators are obviously not aware of the dramatic impact this has on the food chain. Personally I would have them all strung up given the choice.

Another important factor is that predators remove the weakest or sickest animals.  This hs been scientifically proven to help maintain numbers of prey by removing animals that carry illness and disease that could wipe out a species. They ensure that any animals that threaten their own species survival are removed as they are the slowest, weakest and easiest prey.

rant over....

thankyou</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right..sorry to be a bit blunt but having read the above comments I feel I must be.</p>
<p>Numbers of predators will rise if they are not persecuted by humans.  They will rise to a level that can be supported by the prey. If the prey declines, then predators will decline too.  This is the way nature works without interference.</p>
<p>If you take away an apex predator, such as a raptor, then the numbers of species lower down the chain explode until their food cannot support them.  When this happens their population will crash, leaving the next level to flourish.</p>
<p>This is happening all over the world, beit it Birds of Prey, Foxes, Sharks or any other predator.  They are vital in maintaining a healthy population and balance of every species on the planet.</p>
<p>Now, the people who persucute these predators are obviously not aware of the dramatic impact this has on the food chain. Personally I would have them all strung up given the choice.</p>
<p>Another important factor is that predators remove the weakest or sickest animals.  This hs been scientifically proven to help maintain numbers of prey by removing animals that carry illness and disease that could wipe out a species. They ensure that any animals that threaten their own species survival are removed as they are the slowest, weakest and easiest prey.</p>
<p>rant over&#8230;.</p>
<p>thankyou</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://raptorpolitics.org.uk/?p=588&#038;cpage=1#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure the RSPB will be delighted to hear there are many Hen Harriers about - obviously their figures are all wrong when they say things like:- 

&quot;Hen harriers continue to decline in northern England, and south and east Scotland, areas dominated by heather moorland that is managed for driven grouse shooting. Illegal persecution is the main factor behind the hen harrier’s continued unfavourable status here.&quot;

Clearly the Hen Harrier does not deserve its Red list Bird of Conservation Concern status, and we on this site can all pack up and go home ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure the RSPB will be delighted to hear there are many Hen Harriers about &#8211; obviously their figures are all wrong when they say things like:- </p>
<p>&#8220;Hen harriers continue to decline in northern England, and south and east Scotland, areas dominated by heather moorland that is managed for driven grouse shooting. Illegal persecution is the main factor behind the hen harrier’s continued unfavourable status here.&#8221;</p>
<p>Clearly the Hen Harrier does not deserve its Red list Bird of Conservation Concern status, and we on this site can all pack up and go home &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: albert hardy</title>
		<link>http://raptorpolitics.org.uk/?p=588&#038;cpage=1#comment-253</link>
		<dc:creator>albert hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i can see the cause of the loss to thses harriers,, i often do lots of mountain and fell walkin in the summer and the winter. i have seen many raptors like peregrines and harriers, iv actually seen a harrier take a grouse chick for food. i must say that i would rather see lots of flying grouse calling and many more game birds than see a harrier or any other raptors, soon there will be more raptors than there is game birds, as all the game birds are getting predated! im hoping to see more grouse about then any bird of prey, there just like foxes in my eyes (vermin and pests)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i can see the cause of the loss to thses harriers,, i often do lots of mountain and fell walkin in the summer and the winter. i have seen many raptors like peregrines and harriers, iv actually seen a harrier take a grouse chick for food. i must say that i would rather see lots of flying grouse calling and many more game birds than see a harrier or any other raptors, soon there will be more raptors than there is game birds, as all the game birds are getting predated! im hoping to see more grouse about then any bird of prey, there just like foxes in my eyes (vermin and pests)</p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
		<link>http://raptorpolitics.org.uk/?p=588&#038;cpage=1#comment-250</link>
		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As we understand matters, both raptor workers were observing the nest from a distance at regular intervals following the departure of the contract warden. This work was being undertaken on a voluntary and unpaid basis.

During the last visit it soon became clear all was not well. Up until this last visit the adult harriers were attending their chicks and feeding them normally. Because there was no sign of either adult birds following a 2 hour watch, the raptor workers then  checked the nest and found the dead chick and noted two additional chicks were missing. 

It is important to point out that all three chicks were at least two or three weeks old. Had the adult birds not disappeared they would have certainly raised a normal and healthy family. 

This particular moorland area on the United Utilities estate has a bad record, not only for failed hen harrier nests over the last few years, but  both peregrine nests have regularly lost full clutches of eggs along with several broods of young since 2001. 

When these details have been highlighted to United Utilities, the company always insist such failures are the result of natural causes. This is definitely not the case but concerns voiced by experienced members of the local raptor group have always been ignored, presumably to play down any bad publicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we understand matters, both raptor workers were observing the nest from a distance at regular intervals following the departure of the contract warden. This work was being undertaken on a voluntary and unpaid basis.</p>
<p>During the last visit it soon became clear all was not well. Up until this last visit the adult harriers were attending their chicks and feeding them normally. Because there was no sign of either adult birds following a 2 hour watch, the raptor workers then  checked the nest and found the dead chick and noted two additional chicks were missing. </p>
<p>It is important to point out that all three chicks were at least two or three weeks old. Had the adult birds not disappeared they would have certainly raised a normal and healthy family. </p>
<p>This particular moorland area on the United Utilities estate has a bad record, not only for failed hen harrier nests over the last few years, but  both peregrine nests have regularly lost full clutches of eggs along with several broods of young since 2001. </p>
<p>When these details have been highlighted to United Utilities, the company always insist such failures are the result of natural causes. This is definitely not the case but concerns voiced by experienced members of the local raptor group have always been ignored, presumably to play down any bad publicity.</p>
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		<title>By: birdboy</title>
		<link>http://raptorpolitics.org.uk/?p=588&#038;cpage=1#comment-249</link>
		<dc:creator>birdboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot understand why the two raptor workers didn&#039;t carry on monitering the nest, especially if they thought the site was high risk.As admin says the work regarding the hen harrier on the estate,particular this site,was delegated between them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot understand why the two raptor workers didn&#8217;t carry on monitering the nest, especially if they thought the site was high risk.As admin says the work regarding the hen harrier on the estate,particular this site,was delegated between them.</p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
		<link>http://raptorpolitics.org.uk/?p=588&#038;cpage=1#comment-248</link>
		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The RSPB we understand have an admin officer who receives his funding 50% from the RSPB and the other 50% from United Utilities. The work throughout the estate associated with the hen harrier, particular at this site, has always been delegated between two licensed amateur raptor workers who locate and then report the location of each nest to the admin person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The RSPB we understand have an admin officer who receives his funding 50% from the RSPB and the other 50% from United Utilities. The work throughout the estate associated with the hen harrier, particular at this site, has always been delegated between two licensed amateur raptor workers who locate and then report the location of each nest to the admin person.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Allan</title>
		<link>http://raptorpolitics.org.uk/?p=588&#038;cpage=1#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have the RSPB been involved with this area and this case ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have the RSPB been involved with this area and this case ?</p>
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		<title>By: harrier man</title>
		<link>http://raptorpolitics.org.uk/?p=588&#038;cpage=1#comment-240</link>
		<dc:creator>harrier man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as grouse shooting continues there will be very few hen harriers over the moors of england grouse shooting means zero tolerance to anything that may prey on or effect a grouse or shoot. In other words they have to remove the threat even if it means breaking the law natural england have stated that the limiting factor of a hen harrier recovery is human persecution if this is so then grouse shooting is illegal it should be banned or licensed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as grouse shooting continues there will be very few hen harriers over the moors of england grouse shooting means zero tolerance to anything that may prey on or effect a grouse or shoot. In other words they have to remove the threat even if it means breaking the law natural england have stated that the limiting factor of a hen harrier recovery is human persecution if this is so then grouse shooting is illegal it should be banned or licensed.</p>
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