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	<description>Are England&#039;s birds of prey really protected by law?</description>
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		<title>Comment on The World Owl Trust’s objections to the UK NON-NATIVE RISK ASSESSMENT SCHEME Version 3.3 for the Eurasian Eagle Owl Bubo bubo by Rod Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 02:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leave the birds alone, they have every right to be here, we&#039;ve had enough of the interference from people who havn&#039;t a clue what they&#039;re doing.</description>
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		<title>Comment on 200,000 Sign Petition: Stop killing birds of prey! by Nigel Palmer (Owls R Us)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Palmer (Owls R Us)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Bird of prey rescue and rehabilitator of 20 years, I am appauled that a large organisation such as FERA is considering a cull of Eagle Owls,I agree that some may have been realesed, whether on purpose or by accident, but there is evidence that they are migrating here from the continent, and in my opinion the are filling a gap, and will partially rebalence the eco system. It is also a shame, and a worry that companies in this country opt for indifferance rather than education when planning their objectives as far as the use of the land the preside over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Bird of prey rescue and rehabilitator of 20 years, I am appauled that a large organisation such as FERA is considering a cull of Eagle Owls,I agree that some may have been realesed, whether on purpose or by accident, but there is evidence that they are migrating here from the continent, and in my opinion the are filling a gap, and will partially rebalence the eco system. It is also a shame, and a worry that companies in this country opt for indifferance rather than education when planning their objectives as far as the use of the land the preside over.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 200,000 Sign Petition: Stop killing birds of prey! by admin</title>
		<link>http://raptorpolitics.org.uk/?p=949&#038;cpage=1#comment-377</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Currently, United Utilities is busy selling-off parts of its business, and making many staff redundant. The reason for this is because it has gained the status of least-efficient water utility company in the UK, and has been heavily penalised financially by OFWAT.

It&#039;s probable that Philip Green will be moving on shortly, and, the way things are, maybe there&#039;ll be a takeover bid for the company soon.

Consequently, I wouldn&#039;t hold my breath waiting for a response from Mr Green if I were you. Maybe you&#039;ll just get a response from the Bowland office, and I think you know what kind of answer you&#039;ll get from them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Currently, United Utilities is busy selling-off parts of its business, and making many staff redundant. The reason for this is because it has gained the status of least-efficient water utility company in the UK, and has been heavily penalised financially by OFWAT.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probable that Philip Green will be moving on shortly, and, the way things are, maybe there&#8217;ll be a takeover bid for the company soon.</p>
<p>Consequently, I wouldn&#8217;t hold my breath waiting for a response from Mr Green if I were you. Maybe you&#8217;ll just get a response from the Bowland office, and I think you know what kind of answer you&#8217;ll get from them!</p>
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		<title>Comment on 200,000 Sign Petition: Stop killing birds of prey! by chrissie harper</title>
		<link>http://raptorpolitics.org.uk/?p=949&#038;cpage=1#comment-376</link>
		<dc:creator>chrissie harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just read the above article and have looked at the many companies that have signed it, the one that sticks out like a sore thumb is United Utilities, when will they start practising what they preach, their signature is a futile gesture at the present time with the track record they have with birds of prey on Bowland, do they think that signing the RSPB petition gives them credibility, I am afraid not.

Please let us see some positive proof from them that they are doing something to help the many wonderful birds of prey they have on their land then perhaps we can start to trust and believe.
A good start would be to let the European Eagle Owls nest and rear their young without being disturbed.

I am awaiting Phillip Green&#039;s reply to my letter with anticipation.
Chrissie Harper</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just read the above article and have looked at the many companies that have signed it, the one that sticks out like a sore thumb is United Utilities, when will they start practising what they preach, their signature is a futile gesture at the present time with the track record they have with birds of prey on Bowland, do they think that signing the RSPB petition gives them credibility, I am afraid not.</p>
<p>Please let us see some positive proof from them that they are doing something to help the many wonderful birds of prey they have on their land then perhaps we can start to trust and believe.<br />
A good start would be to let the European Eagle Owls nest and rear their young without being disturbed.</p>
<p>I am awaiting Phillip Green&#8217;s reply to my letter with anticipation.<br />
Chrissie Harper</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eagle Owl-Letter of Concern sent to Philip Green, Chief Executive United Utilities by skydancer</title>
		<link>http://raptorpolitics.org.uk/?p=935&#038;cpage=1#comment-375</link>
		<dc:creator>skydancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As this is one of the most interesting and current postings I have decided to add my comment here. 

I attended a lecture last Friday 5 Feb, at Penrith given by Stephen Murphy,the Hen Harrier National Coordinator. What he had to say was very interesting, but in many ways a misrepresentation of what really is taking place on Englands uplands. For example Stephen did not care to explain the reason why numbers of Hen Harriers in Bowland last year declined to just 4 productive pairs. I understand from details contained on this website that 6 additional breeding attempts all failed just in this location. I do not think this high failure rate was a result of poor weather or a shortage of prey as suggested by the so called experts. My conclusion is also supported by Brian Etheridge,a renowned British Hen Harrier Scientist who has left a comment on this website.

I was simply dumbfounded at Mr Murphys praise for local gamekeepers and how these individuals had, according to him, contributed to the current success of Hen Harriers in Bowland. How can anyone make such a ridiculous claim when in 2009 there were only 4 successful breeding attempts in an area regarded as Englands premier Hen Harrier breeding ground?

Anyone can manipulate figures; I regard a failure rate of 60% last year as true testimony as to what is taking place on our grouse moors today. After all Natural England have recently published their Hen Harrier report, in which they clearly state the demise of the Hen Harrier on Englands grouse moors is the result of illegal persecution.

If the current downward trend continues and Bowland is left with the single successful breeding pair of Hen Harriers on the Westminster Estate, then Mr Murphy can claim we have seen a 100% success for the area as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As this is one of the most interesting and current postings I have decided to add my comment here. </p>
<p>I attended a lecture last Friday 5 Feb, at Penrith given by Stephen Murphy,the Hen Harrier National Coordinator. What he had to say was very interesting, but in many ways a misrepresentation of what really is taking place on Englands uplands. For example Stephen did not care to explain the reason why numbers of Hen Harriers in Bowland last year declined to just 4 productive pairs. I understand from details contained on this website that 6 additional breeding attempts all failed just in this location. I do not think this high failure rate was a result of poor weather or a shortage of prey as suggested by the so called experts. My conclusion is also supported by Brian Etheridge,a renowned British Hen Harrier Scientist who has left a comment on this website.</p>
<p>I was simply dumbfounded at Mr Murphys praise for local gamekeepers and how these individuals had, according to him, contributed to the current success of Hen Harriers in Bowland. How can anyone make such a ridiculous claim when in 2009 there were only 4 successful breeding attempts in an area regarded as Englands premier Hen Harrier breeding ground?</p>
<p>Anyone can manipulate figures; I regard a failure rate of 60% last year as true testimony as to what is taking place on our grouse moors today. After all Natural England have recently published their Hen Harrier report, in which they clearly state the demise of the Hen Harrier on Englands grouse moors is the result of illegal persecution.</p>
<p>If the current downward trend continues and Bowland is left with the single successful breeding pair of Hen Harriers on the Westminster Estate, then Mr Murphy can claim we have seen a 100% success for the area as a whole.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eagle Owl Concerns by Eagle Owls, 2007, the true facts - Page 5 - Wild About Britain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eagle Owls, 2007, the true facts - Page 5 - Wild About Britain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] EU law and establishing that the wild offspring were actually born to feral/escapees and not .  Eagle Owl Concerns &#124; Raptor Politics     Last edited by Picidae; Today at 02:19 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] EU law and establishing that the wild offspring were actually born to feral/escapees and not .  Eagle Owl Concerns | Raptor Politics     Last edited by Picidae; Today at 02:19 [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eagle Owls &#8211; Response to FERA &#8220;Risk Assessment&#8221; by North West Raptor Group by Eagle Owls, 2007, the true facts - Page 4 - Wild About Britain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eagle Owls, 2007, the true facts - Page 4 - Wild About Britain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] should help balance the argument (by those actually engaged in monitoring Eagle Owls I might add!)  Eagle Owls &#8211; Response to FERA &#8220;Risk Assessment&#8221; by North West Raptor Group &#124; Rapto...     Last edited by Picidae; Today at 03:56 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] should help balance the argument (by those actually engaged in monitoring Eagle Owls I might add!)  Eagle Owls &#8211; Response to FERA &#8220;Risk Assessment&#8221; by North West Raptor Group | Rapto&#8230;     Last edited by Picidae; Today at 03:56 [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eagle Owl: A Personal Perspective by Major Anthony Crease, Retd. by Eagle Owls, 2007, the true facts - Page 4 - Wild About Britain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eagle Owls, 2007, the true facts - Page 4 - Wild About Britain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Originally Posted by fairplay   I don&#039;t know what RKB&#039;s views are on other subjects, but being a relative newcomer to this thread or indeed the whole debate about Eagle Owls, the views expressed by RKB are the only ones to me that make sense.  Neil.    Well read as much as you can and do your own research is all I can suggest before you make up your mind.  This is a pretty good example of the sort of information I was party to when doing surveys on the continent (regarding effects on prey populations/cohabitation with other predator species etc) and which led me to make the earlier comments I did. As yet, I&#039;ve not come across any information that refutes this ...   Eagle Owl: A Personal Perspective by Major Anthony Crease, Retd. &#124; Raptor Politics [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Originally Posted by fairplay   I don&#039;t know what RKB&#039;s views are on other subjects, but being a relative newcomer to this thread or indeed the whole debate about Eagle Owls, the views expressed by RKB are the only ones to me that make sense.  Neil.    Well read as much as you can and do your own research is all I can suggest before you make up your mind.  This is a pretty good example of the sort of information I was party to when doing surveys on the continent (regarding effects on prey populations/cohabitation with other predator species etc) and which led me to make the earlier comments I did. As yet, I&#039;ve not come across any information that refutes this &#8230;   Eagle Owl: A Personal Perspective by Major Anthony Crease, Retd. | Raptor Politics [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eagle Owl-Letter of Concern sent to Philip Green, Chief Executive United Utilities by Falco_peregrinus</title>
		<link>http://raptorpolitics.org.uk/?p=935&#038;cpage=1#comment-371</link>
		<dc:creator>Falco_peregrinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Each and every one of use who has read Chrissie’s letter can see how passionate she is. It is also very obvious she knows what she is talking about and her sentiments come from the heart. Personally I find the claims contained in her letter very disturbing and I am hopeful Philip Green the Chief Executive at United Utilities will be very concerned at what she has brought to the public’s notice.  What puzzles me more than anything, having read most of the articles contained on the Raptor Politics web site, which by the way are extremely illuminating and appear to be factual, why the media have so far not picked up on the story!  The claim made by Chrissie that United Utilities have used the services of a convicted egg collector to monitor nests of sensitive nesting species on their property is most alarming. According to Chrissie, while undertaking these duties last year this person then steals eggs from the eagle owl nest he was employed to protect. This simply beggars believe.  

It is clear from the wealth of detailed information published by Raptor Politics, certain individuals at United Utilities appear to have a hidden agenda and do not like any detrimental information being made public. It is significant that on one hand a convicted egg collector is welcomed with open arms but on the other, according to Chrissie, an experience individual who has devoted his life to protecting the region’s wild life is now being denied access to the company’s property because he brought to their notice the consistent failure of protected nesting sites on their property.  This is not acceptable and if this injustice is not corrected will certainly harm the reputation of United Utilities in the long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Each and every one of use who has read Chrissie’s letter can see how passionate she is. It is also very obvious she knows what she is talking about and her sentiments come from the heart. Personally I find the claims contained in her letter very disturbing and I am hopeful Philip Green the Chief Executive at United Utilities will be very concerned at what she has brought to the public’s notice.  What puzzles me more than anything, having read most of the articles contained on the Raptor Politics web site, which by the way are extremely illuminating and appear to be factual, why the media have so far not picked up on the story!  The claim made by Chrissie that United Utilities have used the services of a convicted egg collector to monitor nests of sensitive nesting species on their property is most alarming. According to Chrissie, while undertaking these duties last year this person then steals eggs from the eagle owl nest he was employed to protect. This simply beggars believe.  </p>
<p>It is clear from the wealth of detailed information published by Raptor Politics, certain individuals at United Utilities appear to have a hidden agenda and do not like any detrimental information being made public. It is significant that on one hand a convicted egg collector is welcomed with open arms but on the other, according to Chrissie, an experience individual who has devoted his life to protecting the region’s wild life is now being denied access to the company’s property because he brought to their notice the consistent failure of protected nesting sites on their property.  This is not acceptable and if this injustice is not corrected will certainly harm the reputation of United Utilities in the long term.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eagle Owl-Letter of Concern sent to Philip Green, Chief Executive United Utilities by chrissie harper</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrissie harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This afternoon I received a telephone call from Ian Grindy United Utilities
Bowland Estate Manager in reply to my phone call made on Monday, I have to
say I was not impressed with this man&#039;s attitude but I was impressed by the
way he evaded every question about the European Eagle Owls nesting on their
property that I put to him.
 
I told him that I was very concerned about the welfare of these owls and
other birds of prey on the estate as were over 2,000 other people worldwide,
and I asked him if he could assure me that these owls were going to be left
alone this year to breed in peace if they should chose to do so. I explained
that these owls would have eggs soon and he promptly asked me how I knew
that and who had told me; my reply was that having worked with owls for many
years I knew when their breeding season was, but it surprised me that he did
not.
 
In the space of ten minutes he asked me several times where I had received
my information from so that he could reply to these people in person; my
reply was that I belonged to the International Owl Society and along with
other groups we were all working together to see that these owls were
protected in the UK. I also explained that this was a worldwide group and
not only the eyes of Britain were watching them but also the eyes of the
world.
 
I asked him why inexperienced people had been allowed near the nest site
last year and also why United Utilities had felt it necessary to mark the
Eagle Owls eggs against best practice and the expert advice which he had
been given. I also pointing out as marking eggs would serve no purpose,
asking did he know that desertion was almost guaranteed by the action they
had taken and was that the reason the eggs had been marked.
 
I then asked him why Tony Warburton&#039;s offer to fund protection of the nest
site was ignored and why he hadn&#039;t taken up the offer of help from a man
with many years experience with these birds! No reply.
 
The next question I put to him was why a Wildlife Crime Officer, who is at
present under investigation was also being allowed on the estate and why
inexperienced individuals  were visiting nest site at such a sensitive time
of year. I told Mr Grindy my only conclusion was it was all being done to
prevent the Eagle Owls producing and rearing young. The productivity figures
support the argument I made.
 
After going around the houses and getting no where Mr. Grindy then told me
that he was aware that I had written to the Chief Executive of United
Utilities and he thought it best if I received a reply to my questions in a
letter. I told him that I expected to get a reply from Phillip Green and no
one else, making it plain that any reply would be posted on my group page
together with all other relevant forums for all the members to read and that
everyone would be watching the position very closely.
 
So in conclusion I feel that his phone call was a waste of time and it took
him over ten minutes to tell me nothing as he evaded every question I put to
him in a very skilful way.

Like me I imagine you are all curious to know what the United Utilities
Bowland Manger is trying to hide from the public!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This afternoon I received a telephone call from Ian Grindy United Utilities<br />
Bowland Estate Manager in reply to my phone call made on Monday, I have to<br />
say I was not impressed with this man&#8217;s attitude but I was impressed by the<br />
way he evaded every question about the European Eagle Owls nesting on their<br />
property that I put to him.</p>
<p>I told him that I was very concerned about the welfare of these owls and<br />
other birds of prey on the estate as were over 2,000 other people worldwide,<br />
and I asked him if he could assure me that these owls were going to be left<br />
alone this year to breed in peace if they should chose to do so. I explained<br />
that these owls would have eggs soon and he promptly asked me how I knew<br />
that and who had told me; my reply was that having worked with owls for many<br />
years I knew when their breeding season was, but it surprised me that he did<br />
not.</p>
<p>In the space of ten minutes he asked me several times where I had received<br />
my information from so that he could reply to these people in person; my<br />
reply was that I belonged to the International Owl Society and along with<br />
other groups we were all working together to see that these owls were<br />
protected in the UK. I also explained that this was a worldwide group and<br />
not only the eyes of Britain were watching them but also the eyes of the<br />
world.</p>
<p>I asked him why inexperienced people had been allowed near the nest site<br />
last year and also why United Utilities had felt it necessary to mark the<br />
Eagle Owls eggs against best practice and the expert advice which he had<br />
been given. I also pointing out as marking eggs would serve no purpose,<br />
asking did he know that desertion was almost guaranteed by the action they<br />
had taken and was that the reason the eggs had been marked.</p>
<p>I then asked him why Tony Warburton&#8217;s offer to fund protection of the nest<br />
site was ignored and why he hadn&#8217;t taken up the offer of help from a man<br />
with many years experience with these birds! No reply.</p>
<p>The next question I put to him was why a Wildlife Crime Officer, who is at<br />
present under investigation was also being allowed on the estate and why<br />
inexperienced individuals  were visiting nest site at such a sensitive time<br />
of year. I told Mr Grindy my only conclusion was it was all being done to<br />
prevent the Eagle Owls producing and rearing young. The productivity figures<br />
support the argument I made.</p>
<p>After going around the houses and getting no where Mr. Grindy then told me<br />
that he was aware that I had written to the Chief Executive of United<br />
Utilities and he thought it best if I received a reply to my questions in a<br />
letter. I told him that I expected to get a reply from Phillip Green and no<br />
one else, making it plain that any reply would be posted on my group page<br />
together with all other relevant forums for all the members to read and that<br />
everyone would be watching the position very closely.</p>
<p>So in conclusion I feel that his phone call was a waste of time and it took<br />
him over ten minutes to tell me nothing as he evaded every question I put to<br />
him in a very skilful way.</p>
<p>Like me I imagine you are all curious to know what the United Utilities<br />
Bowland Manger is trying to hide from the public!</p>
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